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Re: Phaedra's Love- nodler
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2007, 11:22:05 AM »
I guess I just don't understand the confusion here. The scene's about religious hypocrisy (the Priest's) and a commitment to an honest life, however sinful (H's). The blowjob is no more out of character than Angelo's attraction to Isabella in Measure for Measure.

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Re: Phaedra's Love- schulze
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2007, 11:21:19 AM »
Phaedra commits suicide out of emotional devastation and revenge--hence the note saying Hippolytus raped her. H's excited response isn't connected. Phaedra's "gift," according to H. is only perceived--he uses it as an excuse to sacrifice himself. I don't think Kane was questioning Phaedra's motives. She's doomed from the beginning. What's more interesting is Hippolytus' transformation and acceptance/taking responsibility.

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Bogre
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2007, 11:20:31 AM »
I have seen the priest's blowjob as a mark of submissiveness, which is his profession (submissiveness to god). It shows Hippo is superior to him and the priest all to easy to bow to it. Though it seems to come from a different reason/source making him do it than Phaedra's blowjob (rather patronage than love), her love is submissive too. (Maybe real love is always, but I don't think so because I don't want to think so to try to make love work better but maybe I am able to think that only because I'm not in this kind of love right now or not enough)

There also was discussion about why Phaedra killed herself, my first impression was and it seems quite obvious to me that she did it to make Hippo think his life is enhanced and more exciting, or saying it sarcastically: being real good entertainment, with the hope of triggering something inside of Hippo to make him happier by showing him that there is something real that there is something true.

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Jaidn
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2007, 11:19:38 AM »
Homosexuality would definatly have been frowned apon. I was tought AIDS is a punishment from god.

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Jess Cully
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2007, 11:18:53 AM »
Good point, I had no idea her church was like that although it helps make sense of her comment that her having met Christians who were bad people and atheists who were lovely people was a contributory factor to her becoming disillusioned. However, if it is such a strict and old-fashioned church, I would imagine that trying to square her sexual desire for women with her faith was absolute torture, and must surely have contributed at least a little.

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Re: Priest in Phaedra's Love/Sarah's loss of faith- Jaidn
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 11:18:08 AM »
I think the quote about "but not in the lifestyle that Christianity demanded" has to do with the church that Sarah's family belongd to at that time. It's very regemented and it is frowned apon for people to mix with people outside the church. Also they do tend to have 'old fashiond' ideas of the roles of women, populer music and so on. I used to go to a differnt brance when I was young, but when the paster changed and it became more regemented I left. I think being called a 'Sinfull child' for listerning to AC/DC was hard to swallow when I was 10!

Still now I listern to Diamanda Galás and follow a pagan path maybe :)

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Re: Priest in Phaedra's Love/Sarah's loss of faith- Jess Cully
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 11:17:11 AM »
The priest's being gay probably has something to do with this too.

I sometimes wonder whether Sarah's loss of her faith at 17 had something to do with the fact that she was a lesbian? She did once say in an interview that she believed in God "but not in the lifestyle that Christianity demanded", then in a later one that she abandoned religion because she "wanted to have sex" - given her refusal to come out in public while she was alive, perhaps these statements concealed an additional meaning?

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Re: Phaedra's Love- kate
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 11:11:50 AM »
I think when watching actors perform this scene, it could be conveyed that even the priest (as everyone) finds Hippolytus attractive. and hippolytus picks up on it and takes advantage of the weak flesh of the priest.

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Jaidn
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 11:11:01 AM »
The confess or you'll burn thing reminds me of a 'Father Ted' thing, where Dougal manages to point out this flaw in the hole confession thing. I mean if you confess your sins then you get into heaven so as long as you confess then your fine. So Mira Hindly, who goes to mass each day, has as much right to get into heaven as Sister Wendy...

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Jess Cully
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 11:10:15 AM »
The priest's blow job puzzles me too, I've never worked that one out. But yes, Hippolytus tells the priest to 'confess, before you burn' because, as he says, the priest 'sins knowing he'll confess, then starts all over again'.

This reminds me of the American wit who defined Catholicism as 'confession on Saturday, mass on Sunday, at it again Monday'.

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Lisa
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 11:09:29 AM »
thanks for the insights :) I would also like to ask why the priest did a blowjob on Hippolytus? It's seems so out of the blue? And then Hippolytus told him to "go, confess,before you burn." Is it because he knows the priest is a hypocrite, and that he has this sexual preference for men?

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Re: Phaedra's Love- Jess Cully
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007, 11:08:44 AM »
New themes introduced in Phaedra's Love:

- Hippolytus insists on being honest about how he is, warts and all, rather than save himself by compromising.

- His refusal to embrace Christianity on his deathbed 'just in case', pointing out that any omnipotent deity would realise the hypocrisy of this. He prefers to 'die as he lives, in conscious sin'.

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Phaedra's Love- Lisa
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2007, 11:07:53 AM »
Hello, can anyone give me more insights into Phaedra's Love? Am currently studying it for my module. I only know that it's a reworking of Seneca, and it's about obsessive love, hypocrasy, violence. How is it related to Sarah and are there new themes explored in an old text? Thanks

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