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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / BFI's "10 Great films about sex"
« Last post by Iain Fisher on November 04, 2018, 06:46:38 PM »
The British Film Institute has come up with the a list of Great films about sex, then asked people to name ones they missed.  Number 3 on this is Crimes of Passion.

1 In the Realm of the Senses (1976)
2 Last Tango in Paris (1972)
3 Crimes of Passion (1984)
4 Crash (1996)
5 Conspirators of Pleasure (1996)
6 The War Zone (1999)
7 9 Songs (2004)
8 Shortbus (2006)
9 Turn Me On, Dammit! (2011)
10 Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom (1975)

Some very good films in the list- Pasolini's Salo, Bertolucci's Last Tango, Oshima's Senses, Cronenberg's Crash as well as Ken's Crimes- a nice international mix.  I've also seen but not been too impressed by 9 Songs, and don't know the others.

The details are here
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 31, 2018, 09:55:15 PM »
Continuing . . .
Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
Minutes 47-60

James (Hugh Grant)
a. While not in full uniform, he is still wearing military attire, if less formal. One wonders if he is still in the RAF and only taking time off to settle his family's affair, now that his father, who was the lord of the manor, is now apparently deceased.

Eve (Catherine Oxenberg)
a. Hallucination by . . .

Eve's hallucinations would come by touching and being sprayed by venom. It is Mary (Sammi Davis) whose hallucination would come by being bitten, which we'll get to later.

Eat and drink
a. Once with the previous 10 times, we now up to 11 times that people are seen eating and/or drinking in the film.

D'Ampton Manor
a. On the wall in the music room, another panting. We'll see if we can get a better look at it, later in the film.

Next time: Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
(minutes 61-75)
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 27, 2018, 07:29:40 PM »

Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
Minutes 47-60

Sylvia (Amanda Donohoe)
a. Tree
How did she ever manage to climb up into that three with those high heel boots she is wearing?

b. Tanning bed
She lazes around in a coffin like tanning bed, which reinforces her vampire like qualities.

c. Earrings
Don't spare the earrings. This is--at least--the 3rd pair, all different, that she wears in the film, so far.

d. Liquors
On top of the bar at Temple House. Can't get good enough look at them to tell whether they are premium brands or not. Though, even with a better look, probably couldn't tell anyway..

e. Snake basket
She sleeps in a snake basket at night, which reinforces her snake like qualities.

Stone Rigg Cavern
a. Better known as Thor's Cave in real life.

b. Dress warmly
Actually, unless one is shooting a film in it, having been there several times, while it is chilly, it is not as cold as depicted in the film.

c. Graffiti
Of course, that was added for the film, then removed once the shooting for that scene in the film was over. So if one goes today, one won't find it.

d. View
The film just touches on what a tremendous view there is from the entrance of the cavern or cave. One can seemingly see for miles. And as the entrance is hard to reach and thus is easily defensible. No wonder it has been inhabited for thousands of years.

Peters (Stratford Johns)
a. Note James' (Hugh Grant's) reaction to Peters. Grant's reaction is such to Johns' over the top performance as Peters, one has to wonder whether it was unplanned for in the script and just a serendipity moment caught on film.

Mercy Farm
a. Painting
The painting in the dining area of Mercy Farm. Apparently, a pastoral scene. Thus, symbolic of something else, like so much of the art in the film, or non-symbolic.

To be continued. . .

Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: Ken Russell's Mefistofelr
« Last post by Stefano on October 27, 2018, 12:45:03 PM »
Oh, that's too bad, what a huge loss! I'm going to spend a six-month research period in London from September 2019 and I was hoping to access some material :(

Yes, I have a copy of both the stagings - Boito's "Mefistofele" and Gounod's "Faust" - but I decided to focus only on the "Mefistofele" because of its contemporary setting (more in line with my research).

Teatro Margherita in Genoa was unfortunately shut down so there's no much I can do about it.

Thank you so much for your replies.
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: Ken Russell's Mefistofelr
« Last post by Iain Fisher on October 26, 2018, 12:51:01 AM »
A while ago Ken's house caught fire and destroyed almost all of his possessions, including his archives etc so as far as I understand there will not be anything remaining.

I presume you have a copy of Ken's Mefistofele, he also did Gounod's Faust, also in video.  Have you tried the opera houses, they may have information?

Good luck with your atudies and if we can help let us know.


Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: Ken Russell's Mefistofelr
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 22, 2018, 07:34:34 PM »
I don't know of any, but, if you do find some, I--for one--would be interested in seeing what you found and any comments on them, you might have. And good luck in your search.
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: Lady Chatterley
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 22, 2018, 07:28:46 PM »
Yes, of course, Ken did other films based on the works of D. H. Lawrence. St. Mawr? That is one I had not heard of. It'd have been nice to see what Ken could have done with it.

Nor did I know that it took Lawrence 3 attempts to come up with the definitive version, as I have not read any of the versions nor seen any of the films based upon them. It is not something I feel qualified to discuss in greater detail.
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 22, 2018, 07:21:41 PM »

9. Newspaper
One may need a still screen grab to see it, but the newspaper that James is reading either on the plane or in his bedroom is dated Saturday, March 19. The only years that match that date are 1966, 1977, 1983, 1984, and 1988. As James is driving a 1984 model Morgan, it could not be any of those earlier dates. Thus, the film takes place in 1984 or 1988, and he bets it is 1988.

10. Photos
The photos on the chest of drawers in James' bedroom. What? When? Where? Who?

11. Tub
The tub in which Sylvia bathes Kevin, then drowns him, has been called a hot tub, but it is something that is much older than the typical hot tub. It is called a sunken tub, as it lies sunken into the floor or beneath the level of the floor, instead of being raised above the floor.

12. Work of art
There is a work of art that can be seen in the scenes with Sylvia and James at Temple House, and while it can be seen more clearly in her scenes with Kevin, as the works of art, in the film, are not always just works of art, but symbolic as well, I have always wondered what is the symbolism behind that work of art. Is that blood pouring from the holes in the work of art? If so, then it may symbolize the fact that Sylvia is a vampire-like creature who bites her victims for their blood.

And that is all for that.

Next time: Le Repaire du Ver Blanc (around 47 minutes to 60 minutes)
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Ken Russell's Mefistofelr
« Last post by Stefano on October 22, 2018, 03:16:41 PM »
Hi there,
I am a Ph.D. candidate in Film and Performing Arts, working on a project focused on the reinterpretations of Doctor Faust's myth in opera, theatre and cinema (1987 - 2017).

A section of my research will be focused on Ken Russell's staging of Arrigo Boito's Mefistofele.
I was wondering if there were (somewhere in the world) materials related to this stage work (such as Russell's notes on the staging, pictures, rehearsal footage etc.) I could access for research purposes.
Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: Lady Chatterley
« Last post by Iain Fisher on October 21, 2018, 09:34:26 PM »
It is quite a good film, in two parts for television, but it is relatively conventional with less of Ken's unique vision and imagery, and not as good as his other Lawrence films.

The book had an interesting history, and Penguin who bravely published it were taken to court for obscenity, but eventually Penguin won and the book was freely available, and opened up British publishing.

DH Lawrence actually wrote three versions of the story, The First Lady Chatterley, John Thomas and Lady Jane and Lady Chatterley's Lover, the last being the definitive version.  I have read that Ken included material from all three versions, but I have only read Lady Chatterley's Lover (and a long time ago) so I can't say what.  Maybe a good excuse to read more of Lawrence.

Ken of course also did Lawrence's Women in Love and The Rainbow, and St Mawr was abandoned project.

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