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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on November 15, 2018, 07:45:08 PM »
Continuing . . .
Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
(minutes 76 - 90)

Sylvia (Amanda Donohoe)
a. Why did she not see Angus and Mary, when she was called out from Temple House to D'Ampton Manor by the snake charming music? She was not that far away from them, when she left Temple House. Of course, maybe she was so hypnotized by the music, that she could only concentrate on the music, like snakes,  when they are--supposedly--charmed by music.

Mary (Sammi Davis)
a. Touch
Spray
Bite

Here we have an hallucination brought on by being bitten. Unlike Eve's whose hallucinations are brought upon by touching and being sprayed by snake venom.

b. Her being bitten is actually one of the 1st times, in a film, that we see one woman being bitten by another woman.

c. Why does she run to where she does? She runs away from Erny, then she runs back toward Erny, and then she runs into a place, where she can be trapped by Erny.

James (Hugh Grant)
a. How proverbial English? Note that he has a dart board in his home.

To be continued . . .

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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: BFI's "10 Great films about sex"
« Last post by Stefano on November 08, 2018, 09:59:59 PM »
Thank you for the list, a very interesting one!
Very happy to see they put in Jan Svankmajer's "Conspirators of Pleasure", a true surreal masterpiece. I have to admit I have never seen "Crimes of Passion" and it's definitely time to see it now.
Sorry to see they didn't mention Ken's "The Devils" or the first Paul Verhoeven's Dutch movies (such as "Turks Fruit").
I wasn't very impressed by "9 Songs" either.
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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: BFI's "10 Great films about sex"
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on November 07, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
Well, that is 5 more than I have seen. Though, as I understand you need a strong stomach to watch some of these, especially Salo. You could actually come up with 10 films just by Ken himself. Maybe not all of these are great, but they are about sex in some small part or the other. Including Crimes of Passion, they'd include . . .

01. Women in Love
02. The Music Lovers
03. The Devils
04. Valentino
05. Crimes of Passion
06. Gothic
07. Salome's Last Dance
08. The Lair of the White Worm
09. The Rainbow
10. Whore
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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on November 07, 2018, 05:34:45 PM »
Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
(minutes 76-90)

D'Ampton Manor
a. The one with the up to date electronics: the computer, the cell phone. Now compare this with the more primitive rotary phones at Mercy Farm and Temple House.

Mercy Farm
a. Note the deer antler coatrack and hat rack. Who's the hunter in the family? Probably the missing father of the 2 girls: Eve and Mary.

Temple House
a. Who or what controls the gate at the entrance to Temple House? When Sylvia pulls up, with Kevin, in her car, one can presume that there is a device in the car, that when operated, opens and closes the gates, but, when Mary runs toward the gates, and they close on her, there is nothing or no one to be seen near the gates.

To be continued . . .


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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / BFI's "10 Great films about sex"
« Last post by Iain Fisher on November 04, 2018, 06:46:38 PM »
The British Film Institute has come up with the a list of Great films about sex, then asked people to name ones they missed.  Number 3 on this is Crimes of Passion.

1 In the Realm of the Senses (1976)
2 Last Tango in Paris (1972)
3 Crimes of Passion (1984)
4 Crash (1996)
5 Conspirators of Pleasure (1996)
6 The War Zone (1999)
7 9 Songs (2004)
8 Shortbus (2006)
9 Turn Me On, Dammit! (2011)
10 Salò, or the 120 Days of Sodom (1975)

Some very good films in the list- Pasolini's Salo, Bertolucci's Last Tango, Oshima's Senses, Cronenberg's Crash as well as Ken's Crimes- a nice international mix.  I've also seen but not been too impressed by 9 Songs, and don't know the others.

The details are here
https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-films-about-sex
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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 31, 2018, 09:55:15 PM »
Continuing . . .
Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
Minutes 47-60

James (Hugh Grant)
a. While not in full uniform, he is still wearing military attire, if less formal. One wonders if he is still in the RAF and only taking time off to settle his family's affair, now that his father, who was the lord of the manor, is now apparently deceased.

Eve (Catherine Oxenberg)
a. Hallucination by . . .
--touch
--spray
--bite

Eve's hallucinations would come by touching and being sprayed by venom. It is Mary (Sammi Davis) whose hallucination would come by being bitten, which we'll get to later.

Eat and drink
a. Once with the previous 10 times, we now up to 11 times that people are seen eating and/or drinking in the film.

D'Ampton Manor
a. On the wall in the music room, another panting. We'll see if we can get a better look at it, later in the film.

Next time: Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
(minutes 61-75)
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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: It's the Little Things--in LOTWW--That Count
« Last post by BoyScoutKevin on October 27, 2018, 07:29:40 PM »

Le Repaire du Ver Blanc
Minutes 47-60

Sylvia (Amanda Donohoe)
a. Tree
How did she ever manage to climb up into that three with those high heel boots she is wearing?

b. Tanning bed
She lazes around in a coffin like tanning bed, which reinforces her vampire like qualities.

c. Earrings
Don't spare the earrings. This is--at least--the 3rd pair, all different, that she wears in the film, so far.

d. Liquors
On top of the bar at Temple House. Can't get good enough look at them to tell whether they are premium brands or not. Though, even with a better look, probably couldn't tell anyway..

e. Snake basket
She sleeps in a snake basket at night, which reinforces her snake like qualities.

Stone Rigg Cavern
a. Better known as Thor's Cave in real life.

b. Dress warmly
Actually, unless one is shooting a film in it, having been there several times, while it is chilly, it is not as cold as depicted in the film.

c. Graffiti
Of course, that was added for the film, then removed once the shooting for that scene in the film was over. So if one goes today, one won't find it.

d. View
The film just touches on what a tremendous view there is from the entrance of the cavern or cave. One can seemingly see for miles. And as the entrance is hard to reach and thus is easily defensible. No wonder it has been inhabited for thousands of years.

Peters (Stratford Johns)
a. Note James' (Hugh Grant's) reaction to Peters. Grant's reaction is such to Johns' over the top performance as Peters, one has to wonder whether it was unplanned for in the script and just a serendipity moment caught on film.

Mercy Farm
a. Painting
The painting in the dining area of Mercy Farm. Apparently, a pastoral scene. Thus, symbolic of something else, like so much of the art in the film, or non-symbolic.

To be continued. . .


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Savage Messiah: Ken Russell / Re: Ken Russell's Mefistofelr
« Last post by Stefano on October 27, 2018, 12:45:03 PM »
Oh, that's too bad, what a huge loss! I'm going to spend a six-month research period in London from September 2019 and I was hoping to access some material :(

Yes, I have a copy of both the stagings - Boito's "Mefistofele" and Gounod's "Faust" - but I decided to focus only on the "Mefistofele" because of its contemporary setting (more in line with my research).

Teatro Margherita in Genoa was unfortunately shut down so there's no much I can do about it.

Thank you so much for your replies.
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